To Live For To Die (1970)

(2LP)  Violet Systems
(CD/Italy) Aulica A.124 as "The Honest One"
(CD/EU) Point PNTVP 108 CD

The Songs

  1. Spunk Box 13:08 (Jones/John)
  2. Conscience 6:38 (Man)
  3. The Storm 12:45 (Leonard/Jones)
  4. Would The Cristians Wait Five Minutes...? 10:08 (Man)
  5. Alchemist Of The Mind 19:32 (Man)
  6. Daughter Of The Fireplace 4:08 (Leonard)
  7. Scholar Of Consciousness 5:55 (Man)
THE BAND
George Ace--Vocals
Martin Ace--Bass
Clive John--Keyboards, Vocals
Mickey Jones--Guitar, Vocals
Deke Leonard--Guitar, Vocals
Terry Williams--Drums
Recorded Live Hamburg  (October 1970)


Liner Notes from the Point Reissue

When Man formed from the ashes of the Bystanders in I 96B, swapping harmony pop for progressive rock, they began a journey that's taken them all over the world and continues to do so in 1997. The substitution of guitarist Deke Leonard for 'stand-up' vocalist Vic Oakley was the crucial personnel change that accompanied the musical course-shift, and after two albums for Pye had failed to find more than cult success the band was to undergo a turbulent period of re-evaluation.

Leonard, in his autobiography Rhinos, Winos & Lunatics', explained that 'in Britain we were expected to play two hours but Germany expected five, so we stretched what we had.' Unlike Deke, Keyboard-player Clive John had been a Bystander, but having whole-heartedly embraced the hippie philosophy was convinced Man's progressive path was the right one. 'There was a tremendous feeling of musical freedom... you could get away with playing a flower pot in Germany in those days! We were listening to people like Stockhausen at the time. The band was spaced out, but the music was really interesting.'

The musicians whose faces didn't quite fit the new, drug-fuelled feeling of musical liberation were drummer Jeff  Jones and bassist Ray Williams. Clive was sad to see his long-time colleagues go. 'I loved them both. Jeff was a brilliant drummer, but I suppose at the time we thought Terry (WillIams) was better.' Man's first producer John Schroeder reckoned Ray fitted the Bystanders mould of 'nice, harmonic, clean records: once things changed and the music got heavier and more unruly, I don't think Ray fitted the bill.'  Nevertheless, the bassist remained part of the 'family' and nearly rejoined the band in 1975: he also got up to jam with Man in 1992, the year before his untimely death.

Back in 1970, the replacements were Terry Williams (drums) and Martin Ace (bass), though it wasn't quite as simple as that. Deke had briefly bowed out for personal reasons, and recommended Martin, late of his old group the Dream, as his replacement. On Leonard's return Man had gigged briefly as a six-piece, Ace beating any percussion Instrument that came to hand, before slipping back to the bass role he still enjoys today. Terry Williams, who'd most recently worked as Dave Edmunds' drummer, was also an ex-Dream man, leading to accusations of a 'takeover' from the ousted pair. Yet when the dust settled Clive rates this live album you're listening to as his all-time favourite Man recording.

The album, originally titled 'To Live For To Die' and released as a double vinyl album on the Violet Systems label, came about by a roundabout route explains Deke 'The gig in the Ernst-Merck-Halle in Hamburg was a corker. The promoter surreptitiously recorded it, and a week or two later a bootleg was released. Bootleggers, like drummers, are a necessary evil. It's a curious feeling, being flattered and ripped off at the same time.'

The release of 'Man' several months later on a new label, United Artists, marked a new beginning as its eponymous title suggested. It also featured just five tracks as opposed to their first album's eleven, indicating that the extended, improvisatory approach they favoured on stage was being carried through to the studio.

Three tracks the band previewed in their October (not May, as billed) 1970 performance were presented in definitive form: Deke's 'Daughter Of The Fireplace' (introduced with the words 'if you like 'Purple Haze" you'll know what it's all about'), 'Would The Christians,..' and 'Alchemist', here split into two tracks called 'Alchemist of The Mind' and 'Scholar Of Consciousness'. As guitarist Micky Jones, normally the most reticent Man member, says: 'If you listen to "To Live For To Die", It's very embryonic. Some tunes came out of that tour, like 'Many Are called": you can see the development of things. 'This, then, is work in progress... not only that, but amazingly the first ever gig of the Leonardiones-lohn- Ace-Williams line-up.

'To Live For To Die' reappeared in digttal form in 1992, retitled 'The Honest One' and with its sound re-EQ'd. The band have now bootlegged the bootleg, and why not? One final mystery remains, though: the gig was also filmed for an unknown German Kids' TV programme. If we could locate that historic footage, 'The Honest One' would be even more of a blast from the past. But even without the visuals, this is a prime piece of early-I 970s prog.

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Commentary

This is the earliest live recording of Man I know of, predating "Live at the Padget Rooms" by nearly two years , and recorded about the time of their third album "Man" (if you can rely on the dates given by Italian bootleggers, more about this in my notes for "Live in London 1975"). The sound quality is better than average considering the age of the recording, the vocals are mixed well back making them difficult to understand at times, but the quality of the instruments, especially Clive's keyboards is quite good. This is the only acknowledged appearance of George Ace (Martin's wife) on a Man album whose vocals appear most prominently on "The Storm". This is a good example of what the early shows must have been like and includes the two long jams from the third album, "Alchemist" and "Would the Christians Wait" plus "Spunk Rock" and "The Storm" from the second album. Of the shorter cuts "Conscience" and "Scholar of Consciousness" are otherwise unreleased, while "Daughter of the Fireplace" appears as the obligatory "medley of our hit".

The Point Records reissue is not an improvement over the original bootleg, actually the sound is much more muddy and the vocals even harder to decipher.  This was probably mastered from a LP copy of the original boot without the re-EQ'd mix of the Italian CD.

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